whole sort of cult of lance and all that. to me there's a couple of fundamental things about this. it's first is this is what happens i think as a society when we elevate celebrity, fame, fortune above many other values in society, that integrity and telling the truth, and so we think we can consider heroes not the person, the average person out there paying their bills on time, telling the truth, raising a family, loving their partner, all of that stuff, the cult of personality takes over. the other thing about this, there's been so many people harmed in this, i feel really bad for his kids, especially his boy. >> it's the one place he broke up talking about his boy. >> i feel very bad, but this is what happens, bullies and all of this happens, we see it before. these are people that operate because they're very scared. very insecure and operate from a place of fear. much of what happens on capitol hill, when people operate from that place, they're unwilling to confront the truth. >> fear would also -- when people have this kind of power, rick santorum, this other piece of so many politicians think they can outrun the truth and they never can. >> right. >> but he did.